ArchWeek - Prison Imperfection

[Kevin Matthews]

This forum thread is for discussion of the ArchitectureWeek article:

[Donald]

Good article on Prison Design and one that is best to bring back today in honor of all those who are wondering how best to satisfy the Department of Defense, pacify the Human Rights Activists and contain the "arch enemies of the world"

Given that last week's 60th anniversary of the liberation of the Auschwitz Nazi concentration camp has come and gone, how long before the media (and some in here) starts comparing the facilities and interrogation tactics at Abu Ghraib to the extermination of Jews and others by the Nazis? Well, it turns out not long. It's already happening.

The Daily Texan, which serves the University of Texas at Austin, published an op-ed piece. Vice President Dick Cheney spoke at the Auschwitz memorial service last week, and this is what they had to say about it:

"Cheney's words ring hollow as his administration attempts to promote a man who expressly condones torture, Alberto Gonzales, to the highest law-enforcement position in the United States. They ring hollow as more evidence is uncovered that the acts of barbarism at Abu Ghraib were not isolated incidents but rather acts according to policy set down by the executive branch."
http://www.dailytexanonline.com/news/2005/01/28/Opinion/Viewpoint.Learning.From.Auschwitz-844428.shtml

So there you have it. There are others, but you get the idea. The left, blinded by their hatred for all things George Bush, have now decided that a few isolated incidents of prisoner humiliation are the same thing as The Holocaust. The fringe liberals in this country (among other countries) have completely divorced themselves from reality.

And just think...we have 4 more years of the Bush administration to go. These people could get really entertaining

[Richard Haut]

"This so-called ill treatment and torture in detention centers ... were not, as some assumed, inflicted methodically, but were excesses committed by individual prison guards, their deputies, and men who laid violent hands on the detainees."

Seems to summarise what you are trying to say, doesn't it ?

Who is the quote from ? Rudolf Hoess, commandant of Auschwitz.

[Donald]

Let me get this straight with your comparisons RH....mass killings and genocide to panties draped over heads with pointy finger things connected to nothing??? Take a break from your past history class and move on as the world is moving at breakneck speeds....what the heck are those pointy hand things

[Richard Haut]

it won't go away, Donald.

beating prisoners to death, rapes (reportedly including film of child rapes), the institutionalization of torture, the pretending that it is legal.

what I think is merely a personal view - what matters is that there are still some American professionals who cannot and will not tolerate their professional lives and status being demeaned.

you try to support the insupportable. Denying illegality does not make something legal - it merely tarnishes your legal system.

America will - sooner or later - have to face up to its own conduct without trying to dump the blame on somebody, anybody, else.

Konzentrationslager is not always the same as Vernichtungslager, indeed the death camps only became that during the war (and the role of America in that change is still an open running sore for many Jews).

Are you trying - in your self-adopted role of apologist - trying to say that it is OK for America to have a Dachau, but not an Auschwitz-Birkenau ? A Lubyanka but not a Gulag ? A Gro