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fengshuiarch
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 8:11 pm Post subject: |
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There are thousands of things in our natural and built environment that affect our emotional and physical condition. Some of these things we can see, some we cannot see. Some we can sense, some we cannot. Why can we not sense them? Because we have learned to or choose to ignore them. But ignoring them does not make the effect go away. Have you ever walked under a heavy awning of a building and felt uneasy? Did you move out from under it because of the way you felt? Even though you ‘knew’ it was not going to fall on you? What was between you and the awning that you sensed?
The space between us and all other things or people is energy. Has anyone ever walked up to you, got too close, and you thought “he’s in my space”. What is your “space” but your own energy field. You can feel the heat from a stove element without touching it. You can feel the wind on your face without seeing it. You can sense that someone has walked up behind you even though you do not have eyes in the back of your head. The energy of people and objects does not stop at the outer form that we see.
Our universe operates according to the laws of physics – so does feng shui. Some may say it is mysticism, but only because it is beyond their current comprehension of it. Some attach Chinese superstition or a belief system to it, but only because it is beyond their current comprehension of it in an effort to make sense of it. Read “The Elegant Universe” by Brian Greene or watch the Nova version of it. It doesn’t explain feng shui, but it explains our everyday world of energy.
Feng shui is based on observation of our environment. It ‘started’ when someone wondered why people in the same village had different levels of wealth, why some were healthier than others.
I got interested in feng shui my first year of architecture school. The way we were being taught, how to pick up clues in the surroundings to inform the design, seemed so arbitrary. We were judged on our creative interpretation of the context. When building with feng shui you respond to the things in the environment and FS is a system, based on centuries of observations, that is followed.
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SDR millennium club
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Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2008 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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Ah, but the effect of the tree on the owner of the property. . .that's a bit more subtle, I expect ?
"There are many things. . .under the Sun" (to quote Bela Lugosi in "The Black Cat).
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csintexas millennium club
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 6:46 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | Our universe operates according to the laws of physics – so does feng shui. |
This is what you have said but you still have not demonstrated it.
The story of the tree was purely subjective. The person told you about her problem (she already wanted to make the relationship work) You told her to water a tree. She happened to get back with here boyfriend.
You could have told her to do anything and she would have gotten back with her boyfriend because she wanted to make it work. This is why so far FS looks like religion.
The same way that ArchiMotion tries to replace science with religion in creation theory.
These things always come down to:
| Quote: | | "Some may say it is mysticism, but only because it is beyond their current comprehension of it." |
This is simply a crutch which makes anything you want to believe true. And anyone who doesn't believe simply can't see the truth.
I don't walk under eaves and have fear that they will fall on me. Some people do, these types of irrational fears are called phobias. _________________ Chris Stewart
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djswan
Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 848 Location: Montana, USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 7:44 am Post subject: |
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and then there's rational fears.
Like the tape worm that crawled out of our cats - spam - the other day on to the rug near the baby crib.
I have never observed this before.
My fear was speculative based on here say from our friends and the little bit I have read about parasites or seen on TV.
I accepted the fear as rational, based on a good guesses with the limited facts I had on hand. And time was on my side I concluded, as observed by the slow movements of the tape worm and the fact the I was running faster than the tape worm could move.
My gag reflexes distracted my thought processes during this observation, and perhaps altered my percieved reality of the situation.
The tape worm wasn't going leap up and attack me, I deduced. And then my wife grabbed a spray bottle of bleach and a paper towel and took my fear away.
More knowledge less fear? _________________ n/a |
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SDR millennium club
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:05 am Post subject: |
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| " I've begun worshipping the sun for a number of reasons. First of all, unlike some other gods I could mention, I can see the sun. It's there for me every day. And the things it brings me are quite apparent all the time: heat, light, food, a lovely day. There's no mystery, no one asks for money, I don't have to dress up, and there's no boring pageantry. And interestingly enough, I have found that the prayers I offer to the sun and the prayers I formerly offered to God are all answered at about the same 50-percent rate." [George Carlin, from "You Are All Diseased".] |
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ArchiMotion
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:34 am Post subject: |
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| fengshuiarch wrote: | There are thousands of things in our natural and built environment that affect our emotional and physical condition. Some of these things we can see, some we cannot see. Some we can sense, some we cannot. Why can we not sense them? Because we have learned to or choose to ignore them. But ignoring them does not make the effect go away. Have you ever walked under a heavy awning of a building and felt uneasy? Did you move out from under it because of the way you felt? Even though you ‘knew’ it was not going to fall on you? What was between you and the awning that you sensed?
ArchiMotion: So far so good.
The space between us and all other things or people is energy. Has anyone ever walked up to you, got too close, and you thought “he’s in my space”. What is your “space” but your own energy field. You can feel the heat from a stove element without touching it. You can feel the wind on your face without seeing it. You can sense that someone has walked up behind you even though you do not have eyes in the back of your head. The energy of people and objects does not stop at the outer form that we see.
ArchiMotion: I have observed this effect as well at times. One can sense when other's are looking at you, or maybe when they are close thinking of you..... and have no explanation for this.
Our universe operates according to the laws of physics – so does feng shui. Some may say it is mysticism, but only because it is beyond their current comprehension of it. Some attach Chinese superstition or a belief system to it, but only because it is beyond their current comprehension of it in an effort to make sense of it. Read “The Elegant Universe” by Brian Greene or watch the Nova version of it. It doesn’t explain feng shui, but it explains our everyday world of energy.
ArchiMotion: One cannot say Feng Shui operates according to the law of physics. Where did Feng Shui originate? Is it not in Eastern Societies? Then certainly it is influenced by Eastern thinking, not Western thinking, in terms of origin. About the everyday world of energy, this is an interesting topic.
And by the way Chris, don't bring your personal attacks against others into this discussion as well. When other's present scientific evidence for what they believe, you don't even bother to read it. Rather, you resort to personal attacks and confuse all the issues in doing so.
Feng shui is based on observation of our environment. It ‘started’ when someone wondered why people in the same village had different levels of wealth, why some were healthier than others.
ArchiMotion: This sounds reasonable.
I got interested in feng shui my first year of architecture school. The way we were being taught, how to pick up clues in the surroundings to inform the design, seemed so arbitrary. We were judged on our creative interpretation of the context. When building with feng shui you respond to the things in the environment and FS is a system, based on centuries of observations, that is followed.
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Ok, the way Feng Shui is being presented here seems nice, but many issues I have raised previously are not being addressed. |
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djswan
Joined: 17 Aug 2007 Posts: 848 Location: Montana, USA
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 9:26 am Post subject: |
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I have just observed an amazing event.
I hear a bleating sounds and dog barks outside and the trample of kids feet. upstairs. My son is having a friend stay over. I run upstairs to see what is going on. Out the door, to see my wife holding a fawn whitetail that seams a bit upset. A co-workers Jack Russell is acting like a Jack Russell. It's appears to be chaos. I tell the kids to get the camera.
My wife tells me to help. The dog is too fast for me to grab. The co-worker and dog owner grabs dog and flings dog a good estimate 25 feet of so. Thinking the dog problem was over, I tell my wife to let the fawn go. She does. The dog fling bought about 2 seconds for the fawn, the dog was not fazed by the fling.
Off to the races, down across the moderatly traveled road, in front of the house, down to the river, was the fawn, the dog, myself and a co-worker and sounds of cars mixed with my wife's good advise that I couldn't decipher during my run.
The fawn's heading with the dog nipping at it's tail became apparent, when approximatly five deer spang from every direction, across the road, across the river, and across my path. It appeared that deer were everywhere at that moment in time.
The fawn escaped to brush, the dog nipping at whatever it could nip at the embedded fawn. The co-worker grabs dog and does not fling this time, and we walk back and all is well, time to tell, battery was dead in the camera and now the kids are fighting about pokemon.
It just happened not more than ten minutes from the start of this post.
How fun life can be. _________________ n/a |
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ArchiMotion
Joined: 31 May 2008 Posts: 315
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 11:01 am Post subject: How to establish Order from Chaos |
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| djswan wrote: | I have just observed an amazing event.
I hear a bleating sounds and dog barks outside and the trample of kids feet. upstairs. My son is having a friend stay over. I run upstairs to see what is going on. Out the door, to see my wife holding a fawn whitetail that seams a bit upset. A co-workers Jack Russell is acting like a Jack Russell. It's appears to be chaos. I tell the kids to get the camera.
My wife tells me to help. The dog is too fast for me to grab. The co-worker and dog owner grabs dog and flings dog a good estimate 25 feet of so. Thinking the dog problem was over, I tell my wife to let the fawn go. She does. The dog fling bought about 2 seconds for the fawn, the dog was not fazed by the fling.
Off to the races, down across the moderatly traveled road, in front of the house, down to the river, was the fawn, the dog, myself and a co-worker and sounds of cars mixed with my wife's good advise that I couldn't decipher during my run.
The fawn's heading with the dog nipping at it's tail became apparent, when approximatly five deer spang from every direction, across the road, across the river, and across my path. It appeared that deer were everywhere at that moment in time.
The fawn escaped to brush, the dog nipping at whatever it could nip at the embedded fawn. The co-worker grabs dog and does not fling this time, and we walk back and all is well, time to tell, battery was dead in the camera and now the kids are fighting about pokemon.
It just happened not more than ten minutes from the start of this post.
How fun life can be. |
Humm... could this be attributed to some type of imbalance in the environment around you?
I think you need to find the source for this dis-equilibrium by consulting Mr. Feng Shui. Maybe you will discover the fawn was distressed about the position Mr. Dog is placed in the environment, thus creating a need to re-configure the dog's environmental position, thus re-establishing a sense of balance in the same. Or maybe Mr. Dog is not happy with the physical space alloted and also being incorporated by Mr. Fawn. Perhaps she was attempting to define a new territorial idea, thus allowing here eco balance to be restored by becoming one with men, and incorporating her envisioned space into the equation. The only problem was that Mr. Dog's balance was thus upset, and a tension arose. Perhaps by re-energizing your internal mind to synthesize the chaos in a balanced way, you will then figure out how to re-order your environment. Then you could say you have reached the sublime state of ultimate equilibrium.
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Madimel
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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| You should be the spokesperson for FengshuiArch. Your explanation makes more sense than him so far. |
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djswan
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Posted: Fri Jun 27, 2008 8:40 pm Post subject: |
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Karma is restored. I feel balance. Many thanks for the fine wisdom. Live long and prosper.
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fengshuiarch
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 12:42 pm Post subject: |
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Dear Archimotion,
FS originated in China and therefore inextricably associated with eastern thought. Does that mean that westerners cannot adopt or understand eastern thought? No. In fact the trend seems to be just that, and easterners adopting western thought too.
Energy, physics – for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Balance implies something static. I like to use the term ‘dynamic balance’, like the swing of a pendulum on a grandfather clock, the ebb and flow of the tide, or the wax and wane of the moon. That is what the Tai Ji (yin-yang) symbol represents.
Therefore, I do say that traditional feng shui operates according to the law of physics in our surroundings and how it interacts with the human form. Perhaps you have experienced another type of “feng shui”. There are many versions, even some ‘patented’ or ‘copyrighted’.
I understand your skepticism. I am a very skeptical person. The first book I picked up on FS did not make sense to me and I put the notion away for years. Then something piqued my interest again and I followed through with a lot of research, reading some more books, going to seminars touted by “masters”, etc. Some of it made sense, some of it I just couldn’t put together, and I wasn’t the only one wondering how to make this stuff work. It was a process that did take me to some dead-ends. And I was still skeptical until I met my current teacher.
"Now, if we order our space according to the elements of earth, water, wind, fire, … "
FYI, the “elements” used in FS are wood, fire, earth, metal and water. These ARE metaphors. (Most FS practitioners are taught to use these elements as actual objects.)
"Rather, if we see man and nature as one, we think of ways to design balance, and a sense of connectivity with nature in the same. Thus, by seeking out the positive and negative points of our space, we can find optimal locations for pieces of furniture, for our bed, our living room......the only problem becomes how to measure the positive and negative energy flows in the space. This requires a heightened sense of perception certainly and one that delves into the mystic. If we could have such an instrument to measure the vibrations of the space, I think the job would be much easier. But as far as I know no such instrument exists, and this is mystical thinking at best."
Anyone can learn this “heightened sense of perception” and your own body is the tool to “measure”. As I mentioned before, we usually ignore what our body tells us. The “rules” of FS are about how to respond to what the body tells us.
"No use in having sophisticated design theories and ideas based on mystic ideas that are so complex that nobody can understand them, much less prove them empirically. Such ideas are prone to failure when analyzed under the eyes of objectivity. This is why we have ideas such as Feng Shui being more in the realm of metaphysical, abstract, with superstitious applications…"
This is what some believe because they only have a cursory understanding of FS. And also because some practitioners chose to attach mysticism, religion and superstition to FS. Traditional FS stands alone as a system in itself.
"…If you do something which you believe will help you feel better, 90% of the time you will feel better. No medicine, no genuine cure needed. Our minds are powerful forces, and no use aligning the environment if our minds simply do not "connect". … So the physical becomes the key environmental ingredient needed to align the metaphysical part of the mind. … So it is a matter of perception, not of actual environmentally correct decisions. There is thus no perfect alignment in the material world. This is the problem with Feng Shui. It is rather the "perceived alignment" of the environment, as absorbed by our senses, that gives us also a feeling of internal alignment, thus bringing the benefits.
...it boils down more to common sense… "
The physical environment has a direct effect on our physical body. If we actually “listened” our bodies tell us what we need to know. Our minds “interpret” and “filter” what the body feels and that is where the dysfunction happens. Some of FS is common sense, but then common sense isn’t so common, is it. If something in the environment is having a negative effect on your body, and by extension your mood and your thinking, then you change/remove/block the energy of that thing that is causing the problem.
There are two factors at work here. One source of dis-ease is something physical in the environment. Another source is negative thinking which can cause dis-ease and/or perpetuate dis-ease caused by the environment. FS specifically deals with the dis-ease caused by the physical environment.
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ArchiMotion
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:08 pm Post subject: |
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| fengshuiarch wrote: | Dear Archimotion,
FS originated in China and therefore inextricably associated with eastern thought. Does that mean that westerners cannot adopt or understand eastern thought? No. In fact the trend seems to be just that, and easterners adopting western thought too.
ArchiMotion: Yes, my understanding is that it originated in China. And of course Westerners can understand Eastern thought. I think I am able to grasp some basic concepts of this, using another type of wisdom, but which in effect can bring similar results.
Energy, physics – for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. Balance implies something static. I like to use the term ‘dynamic balance’, like the swing of a pendulum on a grandfather clock, the ebb and flow of the tide, or the wax and wane of the moon. That is what the Tai Ji (yin-yang) symbol represents.
ArchiMotion: Yes, I have heard of Ying-yang - embodied the opposing forces of good and bad, of light and darkness, of positive and negative forces at work in the physical universe, and symbolically represented as above.
Therefore, I do say that traditional feng shui operates according to the law of physics in our surroundings and how it interacts with the human form. Perhaps you have experienced another type of “feng shui”. There are many versions, even some ‘patented’ or ‘copyrighted’.
ArchiMotion: See, this is the thing. As there are various modalities of Feng Shui, maybe this is why the conceptions are confused. This is why it is difficult to be able to distinguish between the various modalities.
ArchiMotion: I have some notions of Feng Shui, as you can see. I only got the basic natural elements of the equation erased from my memory - wood, fire, earth, metal and water. But why is not earth, wind considered in this? Actually, wood, earth, metal and water all all part of earth. So if we have earth, wind, and fire, we have a perfect model that covers all these.
I understand your skepticism. I am a very skeptical person. The first book I picked up on FS did not make sense to me and I put the notion away for years. Then something piqued my interest again and I followed through with a lot of research, reading some more books, going to seminars touted by “masters”, etc. Some of it made sense, some of it I just couldn’t put together, and I wasn’t the only one wondering how to make this stuff work. It was a process that did take me to some dead-ends. And I was still skeptical until I met my current teacher.
"Now, if we order our space according to the elements of earth, water, wind, fire, … "
FYI, the “elements” used in FS are wood, fire, earth, metal and water. These ARE metaphors. (Most FS practitioners are taught to use these elements as actual objects.)
"Rather, if we see man and nature as one, we think of ways to design balance, and a sense of connectivity with nature in the same. Thus, by seeking out the positive and negative points of our space, we can find optimal locations for pieces of furniture, for our bed, our living room......the only problem becomes how to measure the positive and negative energy flows in the space. This requires a heightened sense of perception certainly and one that delves into the mystic. If we could have such an instrument to measure the vibrations of the space, I think the job would be much easier. But as far as I know no such instrument exists, and this is mystical thinking at best."
Anyone can learn this “heightened sense of perception” and your own body is the tool to “measure”. As I mentioned before, we usually ignore what our body tells us. The “rules” of FS are about how to respond to what the body tells us.
"No use in having sophisticated design theories and ideas based on mystic ideas that are so complex that nobody can understand them, much less prove them empirically. Such ideas are prone to failure when analyzed under the eyes of objectivity. This is why we have ideas such as Feng Shui being more in the realm of metaphysical, abstract, with superstitious applications…"
This is what some believe because they only have a cursory understanding of FS. And also because some practitioners chose to attach mysticism, religion and superstition to FS. Traditional FS stands alone as a system in itself.
ArchiMotion: So then, how to you establish the critical points in the environment? All from extra-sensory perception?
"…If you do something which you believe will help you feel better, 90% of the time you will feel better. No medicine, no genuine cure needed. Our minds are powerful forces, and no use aligning the environment if our minds simply do not "connect". … So the physical becomes the key environmental ingredient needed to align the metaphysical part of the mind. … So it is a matter of perception, not of actual environmentally correct decisions. There is thus no perfect alignment in the material world. This is the problem with Feng Shui. It is rather the "perceived alignment" of the environment, as absorbed by our senses, that gives us also a feeling of internal alignment, thus bringing the benefits.
...it boils down more to common sense… "
The physical environment has a direct effect on our physical body. If we actually “listened” our bodies tell us what we need to know. Our minds “interpret” and “filter” what the body feels and that is where the dysfunction happens. Some of FS is common sense, but then common sense isn’t so common, is it. If something in the environment is having a negative effect on your body, and by extension your mood and your thinking, then you change/remove/block the energy of that thing that is causing the problem.
ArchiMotion: So depending on our environment, we are either going to fail or to succeed?
There are two factors at work here. One source of dis-ease is something physical in the environment. Another source is negative thinking which can cause dis-ease and/or perpetuate dis-ease caused by the environment. FS specifically deals with the dis-ease caused by the physical environment.
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From what I understand from Feng Shui, one must order the physical environment to respond to the elements of nature. Thus, the choice of house location, orientation, internal furniture arrangements, and the placing of earth, wind and fire elements into the environment determine the degree of balance we have between positive and negative forces. Thus, once we achieve a state of internal harmony with our environment, all our decisions will result in prosperity and further good decisions. Thus, wisdom is achieved by uniting man with his environment and ultimately with nature. I have much more to say in this regard.
Actually, my advice to Djswan was somewhat of a joke, but then I started to apply some basic principles to the joke, and it in turn made more sense then I expected. Thus, my internal forces created a balance of words that resulted in words of wisdom. I think the quest for this ultimate internal balance of forces is a great thing. |
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csintexas millennium club
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 1:34 pm Post subject: |
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So there is no physical property which can be measured. FS = Heaven
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6. We know there is another dimension, separate from our own, and not in contact with this world - thus there is a parallel universe. It is called heaven and it's counterpart.
7. Good things come from God and bad things from the enemies of God.
8. We know God exists outside of time, in this parallel universe, and therefore is not subject to time, to the laws of this universe. Thus, for God nothing is impossible. |
(quite a bit of similarity here)
What about circumstantial evidence?
So do we have documented evidence that people who practice FS are healthier, happier, or anything else compared to the rest of all the people in the world in general?
I suppose China has been doing pretty well recently. Has it recently converted to FS? _________________ Chris Stewart
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solidred

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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 2:20 pm Post subject: |
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One might argue that China has been going rapidly downhill since it largely gave up Feng Shui and embraced, instead, first Communism and now Capitalism
They made the mistake of thinking that the rest of the world knows what it's doing... |
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csintexas millennium club
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Posted: Sat Jun 28, 2008 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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Yes I suppose one might. Is there any evidence which suggest this is true or are you just thinking aloud? _________________ Chris Stewart
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