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JoeHo10
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 10:29 am Post subject: |
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I work for a new recently launched firm http://www.freegreen.com. We like many other emerging businesses are focusing solely on consumers who are interested in green designs (or simply free designs). From my experience most architects lack some of the technological knowledge and/or the collaborative team of engineers architects and business professionals to tackle green projects. Unfortunately for potential home builders, architects that do have this kind of knowledge and skillset can and do charge a premium for their designs.
If we want to make a dent in the market that accounts for "50% of all the energy we consume" we have to access as many consumers as possible. For those in the middle and lower ends of the housing market a custom architect is not an option. Most resort to stock house plans. At FreeGreen we are giving away very high quality house plans and incorporating and suggesting green products and building materials for the home (which we get paid to do but avoid integrity questions by being transparent, honest, and by providing LEED and NAHB standards). The "free" aspect draws consumers in (Hey the price is right) and the "green" aspect could be looked at as an added bonus. By choosing to only offer green plans and to give them away for free allows us to access a great number of people and to encourage green building practices.
While we don't have a minimum performance standard for all of our designs, we do set pretty high standards for ourselves. (if our designs weren't green we would probably be put out of business) We think that it is particularly important to educate consumers about the financial aspects of energy efficient design considerations. We include a snippet explaining the cash flows of design performance options so consumers can decide things like whether or not they will have a solar array.
P.S. sorry for the shameless plug. I am just trying to answer the question about how we go about energy efficient design _________________ Joe
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csintexas millennium club
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 12:26 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | (if our designs weren't green we would probably be put out of business) |
What reasoning do you use for this statement? _________________ Chris Stewart
Modern Texas Home Project |
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JoeHo10
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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| csintexas wrote: | | Quote: | | (if our designs weren't green we would probably be put out of business) |
What reasoning do you use for this statement? |
It is in our best interest to create high quality and green plans. If we didn't people would never build our homes and would never spread the word. Download a few of our plans for yourself. You will notice the energy/cost analysis, construction details and a LEED-H analysis and check list (among other things). _________________ Joe
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modjohn
Joined: 07 Nov 2007 Posts: 38 Location: Kansas, USA
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Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2008 9:14 pm Post subject: |
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Joe,
Interesting idea. You might want to have someone look at your site. I visited it. I could only find a couple of pages that did not give me a server error. _________________ Experience: What we get when we don't get what we wanted! |
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csintexas millennium club
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | If we didn't people would never build our homes and would never spread the word. |
People don't know what green is and so this is not actually a true statement.
I also agree that your website is malfunctioning. _________________ Chris Stewart
Modern Texas Home Project |
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birgco
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Posted: Fri Jul 04, 2008 1:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Hi Joe, I think you're website is a terrific idea. We need enthusiasm, energy, and positive thinking (folks just like you and your associates) to further educate the public about reducing or eliminating the negative environmental impacts from building practices of the past and present. People do know what "green" is, but many need guidance and expertise to put the best ideas into practice. It will take everyone working together to make a difference and while there may not be a holy grail to solve our energy and environmental needs right now, we are on the right track. We have to start somewhere and it's encouraging to see new and innovative ideas reaching the world through cyber space. I applaud your efforts. Best of luck! |
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csintexas millennium club
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:18 am Post subject: |
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They have a very basic understanding that using less energy is greener than using more energy or using low VOC materials is better than not but other that, even the designers here could not agree exactly what a green home looks like. _________________ Chris Stewart
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modjohn
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Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 9:04 pm Post subject: |
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The meaning of “green” is a very gray area. There are different shades or levels of greenness. Any Yes, many people will argue about how green a project should be.
It seems to me a logical way to determine greenness would be to put some performance numbers on every building. Specifying a specific level of thermal performance, energy usage, etc. You could also promote or require the use of green building materials that have a lower environmental impact or a very long life cycle, or possibly both.
With this type of approach, you allow design flexibility while attaining specific performance targets. I believe the codes used in California do allow the builder to deviate from some aspects of the code as long as the overall performance still meets the performance target. _________________ Experience: What we get when we don't get what we wanted! |
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csintexas millennium club
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Posted: Mon Jul 07, 2008 3:54 pm Post subject: |
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I'm not a big fan of bureaucracy so for me this would be a cumbersome solution to the problem. _________________ Chris Stewart
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csintexas millennium club
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Posted: Thu Jul 10, 2008 6:39 am Post subject: |
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http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/06/05/AR2008060503434.html?referrer=emailarticle
| Quote: | ...Unfortunately, instead of hiking the price ourselves by means of a gasoline tax that could be instantly refunded to the American people in the form of lower payroll taxes, we let the Saudis, Venezuelans, Russians and Iranians do the taxing for us -- and pocket the money that the tax would have recycled back to the American worker.
This is insanity. For 25 years and with utter futility (starting with "The Oil-Bust Panic," the New Republic, February 1983), I have been advocating the cure: a U.S. energy tax as a way to curtail consumption and keep the money at home. On this page in May 2004 (and again in November 2005), I called for "the government -- through a tax -- to establish a new floor for gasoline," by fully taxing any drop in price below a certain benchmark. The point was to suppress demand and to keep the savings (from any subsequent world price drop) at home in the U.S. Treasury rather than going abroad. At the time, oil was $41 a barrel. It is now $123.
But instead of doing the obvious -- tax the damn thing -- we go through spasms of destructive alternatives, such as efficiency standards, ethanol mandates and now a crazy carbon cap-and-trade system the Senate is debating this week. These are infinitely complex mandates for inefficiency and invitations to corruption. But they have a singular virtue: They hide the cost to the American consumer. |
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modjohn
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Posted: Fri Jul 11, 2008 10:21 pm Post subject: |
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This guy who wrote the article is way to idealistic and not realistic. His ideas about taxing gasoline would never work to any extent in the US. None of our politicians have the balls to ever suggest or especially follow through with such a plan. They know they would be voted out of office as soon as possible and their replacements would repeal the taxes.
Most Americans will never make a change until their wallets force them to. As the article says, love does have a price. _________________ Experience: What we get when we don't get what we wanted! |
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csintexas millennium club
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 7:20 am Post subject: |
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I agree. This is what we should have done a long time ago, the fact that we did not just demonstrates our national stupidity.
The US peaked about 40 years ago and we have been riding the crest of that wave ever since.
Here is an interesting new development:
http://www.pickensplan.com/
We continue to have a trade deficit of about 60 billion per month (720 billion per year) x 10 years = 7.2 trillion dollars. Add to this our current national deficit of 9.6 trillion dollars and a large baby boomer population beginning to retire and wanting good health care and anyone can see we are nearly in a crisis situation.
The economy is balanced on an edge right now. It may stay there for a while, it might fall slowly, or it could snap at any moment.
And what are we doing about this? Almost Nothing _________________ Chris Stewart
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WorldDesigner
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Posted: Sat Jul 12, 2008 8:04 pm Post subject: |
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| JoeHo10 wrote: | I work for a new recently launched firm http://www.freegreen.com. We like many other emerging businesses are focusing solely on consumers who are interested in green designs (or simply free designs). From my experience most architects lack some of the technological knowledge and/or the collaborative team of engineers architects and business professionals to tackle green projects. Unfortunately for potential home builders, architects that do have this kind of knowledge and skillset can and do charge a premium for their designs.
If we want to make a dent in the market that accounts for "50% of all the energy we consume" we have to access as many consumers as possible. For those in the middle and lower ends of the housing market a custom architect is not an option. Most resort to stock house plans. At FreeGreen we are giving away very high quality house plans and incorporating and suggesting green products and building materials for the home (which we get paid to do but avoid integrity questions by being transparent, honest, and by providing LEED and NAHB standards). The "free" aspect draws consumers in (Hey the price is right) and the "green" aspect could be looked at as an added bonus. By choosing to only offer green plans and to give them away for free allows us to access a great number of people and to encourage green building practices.
While we don't have a minimum performance standard for all of our designs, we do set pretty high standards for ourselves. (if our designs weren't green we would probably be put out of business) We think that it is particularly important to educate consumers about the financial aspects of energy efficient design considerations. We include a snippet explaining the cash flows of design performance options so consumers can decide things like whether or not they will have a solar array.
P.S. sorry for the shameless plug. I am just trying to answer the question about how we go about energy efficient design |
I like this idea also. And to extend this into pre-fabricated homes would be even better - and then market the hell out of pre-fabricated solutions that are also pre-financed, pre-packaged for today's oil crisis, credit crunch and consumer market towards best for your dollar. Then get the government to sponsor public projects adopting such pre-fabricated technologies and incorporating them into re-development projects. Then the track developers follow suit, incorporating the green technologies into every cookie cutter home they spew out, thus doing us a favor and enlarging the benefits of mass production and cheap affordable housing that is also green and environmentally friendly. |
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modjohn
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Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2008 7:43 pm Post subject: |
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The web site is still broken. Anyone able to get past the first page? _________________ Experience: What we get when we don't get what we wanted! |
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lekizz millennium club
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Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2008 5:36 am Post subject: |
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Certainly no access to anything insightful or useful yet.
I'm surprised they do not say anywhere on their website where they are based and what market/geography/climate they are catering for. Surely that is one of the first principles of ecological development, to be site specific. Even if they are based in the US (which I suspect), there are still wide variations in conditions from State to State, aren't there?
And from the illustrations of their stock housing, I can't see any clues as to how they are 'green'. Very odd! |
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