Hi all you fancy graphics lovers

[SDR]

(Okay, just this once) Dude: I understand; I'm a control freak, too. I've spent a lot of energy in the past fretting about what others do (particularly in my field of 'expertise' -- as if anyone had ALL the answers!). But ask yourself: what better place than this to air ideas and get feedback. Do you really think P.C. represents an imminent danger to others (like the notorious WMD)? Who died and made you the PRA (Protector of the Reputation of Architecture)? Your posts here are a matter of record, and its not a pretty picture -- go look for yourself. "Yes, I am a bastard. . ."


You'll get more flies with honey than with vinegar. I said I understand, and I think I do, but really -- it's a drag, man. I won't rub your nose in it, I promise, if you can see it differently and try again. Okay?

With (slightly strained) respect, SDR

[Kevin]

LeCorbusier, in fact you yourself are regularly MORE pretentious than we have ever seen from PC. Nor is it your job - or capability - to be truth police for these forums.

As you know, your account has previously been suspended for unacceptably rude behavior. It was reactivated on your promise of better behavior, yet we have still had to delete some of your postings as sometimes extremely rude and sometimes gratuitously insulting.

Your long posting of questions of PC's concepts were neither particularly detailed, nor particularly coherent. Yet there are some valid questions in there - and yes, PC did not particularly asnwer them.

If you can keep your strong emotions in check, and out of these discussions, there is still a chance that you can be a contributing member of the community.

But make no mistake : the onus is on you to keep your comments polite and respectful.

I feel it would be a great challenge for you to try to keep control of your self-presentation this way. It is an important exercise for your development as a designer and as a person. It is a necessity, as well, for you to continue as a member of the community. I will not tolerate bullying, even if ineffective. Ultimately, both the exercise of respect and and the continuation in the community are optional. Sincerely, I hope you can take a breath, count to ten, choose well, and then act accordingly.

[LeCorbusier]

I like the vigor in your words. I dont care what other people do, I do care if you tread on my ground. And I believe he has. I am defensive and harsh, but I have reason. I have tried to speak intelligently to this
P.C. but he responds with rubbish time and time again. Just watch.

[Kevin]

Why is this "your ground" particularly? (What are the rest of us, chopped liver?) Are you the god of stick-and-joint construction? (Maybe I missed something and would owe your lordship an apology.)

What could possibly be the need for - or value in - being harsh about it? Is this participation for communication, or... what?

[LeCorbusier]

My Ground is the Architectural Industry. And that is what I meant.
It would be as if I was trying to sell a doctor a new x-ray machine
that I've dreamt up and when he questions it I accuse him of being
primitive. Using such phases as " Gee Im not a doctor but I know better than you". I believe the doctor would get agrravated.

[P.C.]

Hi

I am not here to ansver your questions the way you want and it seem this is the core issue in your mails. This will not even make you happy, I am not here to ansver your wierd thoughts about me, you just reflect your own image you show exactly what is in your mind and that is very different than what is on my mind, I think most in this fora profit more from naive visions than from your sad obsession, it seem like an obsession but not a very healty one, ------ and realy not very many profit from your badly camuflage bullying, hopefully I opened somons mind for the fact that art is about creating somthing, somthing with beauty or visions, now what visions have you provided in this tread.

[LeCorbusier]

Ive never known an artist call himself an artist. Those who do, probably aren't. I'd rather have nothing then being sold bad art anyday. Don't worry, Ill be traveling for the next 3 weeks so you dont have to worry about me bullying you anymore.

[P.C.]

Hi

That you never known any artist calling itself an artist acturly don\t bother me, Im\e a designer and and I acturly never dealed with the things I produced ,when done and finished. I know many have problems acturly finishing a piece of art but I am so lucky to have worked with crafts and furniture, software and innovation , ---- now you proberly don\t even call that art but realy what shuld I care.
Now you leave for 3 weeks and expect that I shuld find some relive in that, sure as long as you clear your head and ask yourself if your own works profited from the discussions here, mine did and my intention showing the world this challancing new option stay the same.
Anyway you keep saying I don't ansver somthing, you repeaded this so many times and I been waiting to se, what questions you mean, again you sort of use this as an argument, that I do not ansver some questions you ask , -------- but isn't the fact that you don't read them or you decide that you do not se the ansver you want and then, well then you decide that I don't ansver ? Now this is a direct question let's se if you ansver.

Anyway what ansver would you expect ---- from your posts the only ansver you would reconise would not leave much room for anyone "who think he is somthing" , I keep asking you to show somthing with a relevant attitude, somthing that can compare and give a better bid solving some of the actural problems in today's architecture ,somthing that point to a solution of just a pair of the problems in real arts, ------ not the arts in museums and books, not the art of talking a painting or sketching a building , but the problems concerning different platforms, different rutines in different Studio's , problems if to develob an independant file format or build ontop what already been build since CAD promised a new vision and different rutines .

You se you havn't even reconised that staying with a basic 3D model, 3D-H offer the building compoments strait from the CAD drawing, ----- now please do a realistic measure and ask yourself, if you know, how this is handled in today's top architectural applications, if you don't you missed some of the most important issues with this new tool. But you rather nip nak on details that no one with just a bit practical experience would bother, you seem to expect the works of a super architect ,somthing ready and finished from the start and you don't even se the endless possibilities for develobment , once this new lead get going, once architects realise that you do not need 20 different profiles knees bolts and nuts, once designers se that you can replace expensive special fittings and specialy shaped profiles with somthing that make a strong foundation for whatever standard compoments you put into it.

Form the house around the windows , well maby you find this aproach wierd ,but please let me ask qou the second question in this post ; How do you think the _real_ Le.Corb would have responded to this new tool ????

I ask again as for me it seem strange that you don't think architects shuld decide the attitude, but think that nip nak enginering issues that--- you shuld be able to "read" the ansver to from the graphics,--- is more important than the exiting options the endless new way's , the obvious multible gains in an actural new building method ;
Now what do you think the _real_ Le.Corb would have "replied" seing this 3D-HoneyComb performed a structure in two planes, distribuating the stress onto multible assembly points all over the structure ?

Do you think the _real_ Le.Corb would have replied "don't you think you are somthing or someone" ?

[LeCorbusier]

Even the most simplified project in the second year of college requests a detail of the connections. Since you cant even provide that, youve failed. You fail because you have no sense of any structural integrity.
By the way, this in not architecture. The design of a plastic bottle is not architecture. This is about all youve accomplished. Corbu wouldve pissed on this, he was also an engineer.

[P.C.]

Hi

Le.Corb you don't seem happy even you must enjoy to spread your daily poison, anyway I wonder if you alway's only read what you want to read, as many many times I told that I am not an architect but a designer and the "detail" you ask can be seen by most others, ---- also the exiting aspects are realised by so many others, but your own words show where the problem is, don't it ?

Anyway you are welcom to coment this to, do that show details you can't se ?

[Stella]

Cant we all just get along? your making us architects/students look bad, come on just settle your differences and quit wasting your time, it only makes things worse, even though the emotions tell you otherwise.

[SDR]

Yes, it's a shame, isn't it? Sort of like an international political feud, or worse. . .Darfur, Palestine. . .There's already too much hate and anger in the world.

Wouldn't it be a miracle if, instead of tearing down PC's attempts to 'build,'
LC would help, by proposing appropriate solutions to the unanswered structural-connection problems, etc, thereby demonstrating expertise at something other than disgust? And wouldn't it help if PC could be troubled to slow down and choose his words carefully, in order to accurately and comlpetely defend and describe his intentions?

There is common ground, here, gentlemen, and a worthy goal. . .who will be the first to exchange backed-to-the-wall defensiveness for well-worded, level-headed discussion of the merits and demerits of the proposed ideas?

Respectfully, SDR

[Stella]

Doesn't even have to say anything, I find it funny how people always end their fights with "your not even worth my time to type it" so why not even start in the first place? *sighs* its those emotions, you just cant get past those emotions.

*express and feels the emotion of sadness and disappointment*

In other news there was a reported Frank Lloyd Wright siting!

[SDR]

There was? When? Where? Lemme see! (You can't have too much Wright, sez I) Aww, yer just tryin' to distract me!

SDR

[P.C.]

Hi

Le Corb, you didn't even respond the last graphic I placed.

But what's vorse is that you keep repeating even I again and again ansver, it seem that you simply don't want to read what I ansver, beside you don't even respond to all the other things I say.

How long do you expect architects can keep on just sketching, leaving the core innovative aproach to the engineers that will just play it safe and just do things as how methods been develobed thru generations, --- do you realy think the innovative aproach can be shared that way.

What about the things I said about today's architect applications and how they tigh architects in an concept of yestoday ,where it cirtainly is not the exiting new options but the makers of the windows and standard house fittings that decide the fasion, ------ isn't it in modern architecture just a little like building a spaceship with a stone adge when architect applications and file formats are decided from how things was made on paper with no direct link to the mashin producing the building compoment.

Fact is that you don't use any real arguments, you do not point to any actural difficulty that need to be solved, all you do is making it into a personal attack blamed on things you say you do not understand, --- well that's architecture as I know it already the social game where dirty tricks is taken as the true visionary tools of the future ---- but do this bring the visions, the new jobs and the promising future with new methods and new entlightment.

Also I told from the start that even I spended 3 years at tha architect acadamy even I had profesional projects and proven my skills both in crafts and in computing, then I have a practic background --- I know what measures the craftman needs and focus on the practical issues, now try find out what the word architect realy stand for.

Anyway Le.Corb you did not comment the latest graphic.