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Adrian Lombardo
Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 20 Location: Canterbury, UK
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Posted: Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:44 pm Post subject: Ridicule of the Prince of Wales by architects |
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I understand that some years ago, then some times since, the Prince of Wales have been criticizing modern architecture publicly and suggested a shift in the Zeitgeist. I have heard a lot of ridicule, mostly of the kind that "he probably wishes we only had Victorian buildings around".
However, when it turns out many of the New Urbanists supports him, I looked into exactly what he was trying to say. His principles of architecture are incredibly sensible. On his websites, is says:
"Does The Prince dislike all modern architecture?
No. The Prince has been the patron of several contemporary architects, and has provided training to young architects through his Foundation for the Built Environment.
The Prince believes buildings should be designed on a human scale and be sustainable, should respect the character of local surroundings, and should be able to cope with a variety of uses over their lifetime. "
In an article on him by theorist Nikos Salingaros, his principles are: (I added some explanation)
1. The Place (architecture as places rather than inividual buildings)
2. Hierarchy (fractal shapes/organized complexity, not social hierarchy)
3. Scale (that humans can relate to)
4. Harmony
5. Enclosure
6. Materials
7. Decoration (Ornament is not a crime, it makes pleasant buildings)
8. Art
9. Signs & Lights (Less distraction, ugly signs etc)
10. Community (-building)
I really think this makes a lot of sense, and is well supported by psychologists and urbanism as the way to go to avoid the all-too-frequent modernist disasters.
However, I can understand that people see him as old-fashioned, as he is criticizing modern and not old architecture, and his village Poundbury looks very old-fashined. Also, he is after all not an architect but a royal, classical target for ridicule in the media.
What do you guys think? Is his criticism legitimate? Is the criticism of him legitimate? Are there any good arguments against his principles for good architecture, or are all the attacks ad hominem? |
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lekizz millennium club
Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 1132 Location: UK
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Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:49 am Post subject: |
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| I could possibly give jug-ears credit for speaking his mind on a number of current issues (such as the environment) and using his influential position to affect change. But generally his position in the hierarchy of society will mean he bends towards a conservative tradition. And, as for architecture, he has spent his entire life living in the very grandest buildings that overtly eschew the classical tradition, so what else would we expect from him?! |
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teamjdc
Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 319
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:13 am Post subject: |
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Be careful with your assumptions and prejudices. Charles has made a serious effort to understand and appreciate the built environment and it's shortcomings. He has also stood up for modern, sustainable design.
His criticisms in the past have revolved around structures that ignore humanity.
Perhaps a little research is warranted.
I would think that the profession would embrace someone of political stature taking an honest interest in architecture and wanting to see things move forward for the betterment of all rather than the self-engrandizement we usually see. |
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Adrian Lombardo
Joined: 16 Feb 2007 Posts: 20 Location: Canterbury, UK
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 11:49 am Post subject: |
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| lekizz wrote: | | I could possibly give jug-ears credit for speaking his mind on a number of current issues (such as the environment) and using his influential position to affect change. But generally his position in the hierarchy of society will mean he bends towards a conservative tradition. And, as for architecture, he has spent his entire life living in the very grandest buildings that overtly eschew the classical tradition, so what else would we expect from him?! |
Nikos Salingaros describes Charles as a liberal and progressive person, who is just very unlucky to have support by upper-class rich conservative noobs.. Charles might have lived in grand buildings in classical high-class tradition, but he is not arguing for this at all. He wishes to see sustainable architecture, modern-looking or not, which suits human emotions better. I dont think the Princes position is making him more conservative. He is known for supporting alternative medicine and new-age beliefs, a very leftist (and stupid, unscientific) thing to do.
But I understand that it is easy to presume that as he is royal, and criticizes modern architecture, he should be conservative and hate modernism on this basis. I also think that is incorrect.
teamjdc: Presumably you are responding lekizz and not to me. |
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teamjdc
Joined: 25 Oct 2007 Posts: 319
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:18 pm Post subject: |
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| Adrian Lombardo wrote: | | [teamjdc: Presumably you are responding lekizz and not to me. |
Correct. |
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lekizz millennium club
Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 1132 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Oct 29, 2008 6:14 pm Post subject: |
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Having already read the "carbuncle" speech, I can see fully well for myself that it was generally balanced and thoughtful. The "monstrous carbuncle" sentence was latched onto by the press, which was no doubt intended by the prince and his advisors.
However, "alternative" views are not necessarily "progressive". Living in neo-Georgian village communities such as Poundbury is an option only seriously available to the wealthy middle classes. I don't see any indication in Poundbury of the prince applying his "alternative" theories of architecture to the modern world. |
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lekizz millennium club
Joined: 11 Jan 2006 Posts: 1132 Location: UK
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Posted: Wed Nov 12, 2008 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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"Charles at 60 - the Passionate Prince" is being aired on BBC1 tonight, all 90 minutes of it. I'll watch it with interest and see if it converts me to Royalism  |
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